Question:
Speed camera trap, help im going to loose my license?
chapperz18
2009-03-06 18:23:17 UTC
I have 3 points on my license already, and i was driving home on a road which is a 40mph zone about 200 yards away from it turning into a 60zone. about 2 minutes later i was pulled for speeding. When i was on the 40 zone i started speeding up and was going 59mph, and on the side of the road was an undercover police man with a speed camera in his car. Another police car pulled me taking the third parties word that i was speeding. there was no signs about speed traps and he was undercover, is there any way i can avoid these 3 more points? i am a delivery driver and i would lose my job. the only things i can think of to fight this is if the speed gun was calibrated correctly or plea for a speeding course. any suggestions?
Nine answers:
Vipassana
2009-03-06 18:28:56 UTC
"When i was on the 40 zone i started speeding up and was going 59mph"



What would you fight? You just admitted that you were speeding.



Third party's word? It's not a "third party" anything. It's part of a speed trap. One guy catches you, and radios your info and speed to the cop that pulls you over. It's a 100% legal bust.



All I got out of this, was that you were speeding, you knew you were speeding, they knew you were speeding, and now you don't want to pay the consequences.



Sorry, it doesn't work that way.



Edit: You didn't know, is no excuse. You're supposed to monitor your speed, and keep full control of your vehicle at all times.
Fly B
2009-03-07 14:28:28 UTC
Now, first and foremost, I strongly suggest you slow down. After the first ticket I would think you would be more careful... like, a LOT more careful since this very situation may have been able to arise. So... bottom line for sure now, slow down, do the speed limit until at least your first ticket is removed from your record (in most places it will be taken off record after 3 years from the conviction date [this is not the date that you were pulled over]).



Now I don't know where you live, nor the laws where you live. But if you have enough points to lose your license, I'd say the situation is rather grim. That being said, find a traffic ticket specialist. They are not necessarily lawyers, rather ex-cops and/or paralegals. These people will go to court on your behalf and try to fight the ticket. You will need to pay this person more than the price of your ticket, there's no guarantee that s/he will win, and 'winning' is usually just having the fine/points reduced; you will still pay the remainder of the fine. Go see one right away; the more time they have to examine your case the better your odds.



It is expensive, but you will have a shot at keeping your license. I would find that well worth the price, even if it was twice the price of the ticket. Hide nothing from the traffic ticket specialist. If you told the officer 'ya I know I was speeding' it's information the specialist will need to know and may affect your chances. Make sure you keep opinions or comments to yourself; YOU need to be honest; let the specialist bend the truth.



Good luck, I hope you don't lose your job. Please slow down!
Me again
2009-03-07 07:40:27 UTC
Let's get one thing straight for the benefit of all those anti-government folks who make the road dangerous for the rest of us. There is no such thing as a speed trap. There are speed limit signs, and cops enforcing them. There is no entrapment. Your only two options are to try and go to traffic school if you are eligible, or if you're not, try to fight the ticket. If you should manage to beat the ticket or avoid the points, you need to take a serious look at your attitude and behavior behind the wheel. Here are some absolutes: There are two kinds of drivers. Smart ones and stupid ones. The stupid ones get tickets. The smart ones don't. There are two ways to drive. The right way and the wrong way. Do it right and you will not get tickets. Do it wrong and you will get tickets.
dinah
2016-05-25 14:59:49 UTC
It's not just Australia doing this. It happens here in the US too. We don't have a lot of speed cameras where I live, but what we have is small town cops. Every small town has a cop who has to write enough tickets each month to justify his salary. They will even chase people 5 miles out of town to give them a ticket for something they supposedly did while going through town, like crossing the center line. How do you argue that you didn't, and who will listen if you do?
David B
2009-03-06 22:47:35 UTC
I don't know about your city/state, but in my city, that is illegal. In order to pull someone over, a vehicle has to be marked (e.g., a police car). An officer that is in an unmarked vehicle (plainclothes vehicle) can pull someone over if they are driving recklessly (e.g., a danger to the public).



Officers usually don't ticket people for things that they don't see for themselves. The "undercover" cop would have to be the one that cites you (the marked vehicle can pull you over, and then he can pull up to write you the ticket).



And just so you know, the speed limit doesn't change until the moment you pass the sign. That is why the cops picked that street. Most regulars will know the 60 mph zone is coming up, so they'll speed up prematurely.



You should look for one of those traffic lawyers. They'll talk to the judge outside of the courtroom and work out a deal with them.
2009-03-07 03:46:48 UTC
In Australia, that modus operandi by traffic police and other general duties police is quite lawful, so I see no reason why it wouldn't be lawful where you live. Like one of the previous people said answering this question. You have already admitted you were speeding. I think they may be looking for Pizza Cooks nearby where you live! Within walking distance.
Firebird
2009-03-06 21:26:16 UTC
That's a bummer. You should look into another line of work.



I have noticed speed enforcement is going through a huge increase. I'm sure it's because municipalities need the money. Looks like you were just a casualty of your own carelessness.
Lester M
2009-03-06 19:05:56 UTC
you can go to school and will be no point
2009-03-06 19:50:03 UTC
DEFENSIVE DRIVING COURSE NOW


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